tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post6878175188643438400..comments2024-03-28T07:16:39.621+00:00Comments on Lallands Peat Worrier: Carmichael questions, Carmichael answers...Lallands Peat Worrierhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18276270498204697708noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-29507566234664051192015-10-18T11:56:10.735+01:002015-10-18T11:56:10.735+01:00I'm quite sure many of us would crowdfund this...I'm quite sure many of us would crowdfund this exercise, as many of us already have. However, my objection is that this court has already raised the expectation of democracy in the judicial system, and that the public would be able to watch the unfolding of this case live, BY IT'S OWN ORIGINAL DECISION to allow broadcasting of the initial proceedings. <br /><br />This is an unique case, and should be treated as such. Hopefully, the next time the electorate seek to challenge the election of their representative, the legislation will be in place to ensure that it is not such a convoluted and costly process, and broadcasting will not be necessary.Humerous Vegetablehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06749447163866759111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-28691255556202497772015-10-16T16:20:37.318+01:002015-10-16T16:20:37.318+01:00Excellent idea! I am up for a tenner towards crowd...Excellent idea! I am up for a tenner towards crowd funding our Peat Worrier's presence in the court room. In return we want a daily summary in his inimitable style. Andrew, please get onto Indigogo so they can pass the plate around for you.lawrenceabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16425746967578710370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-15843076959477203602015-10-14T14:23:05.035+01:002015-10-14T14:23:05.035+01:00Crowdfund it?Crowdfund it?Bugger le Pandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15924663556503952533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-43520078488507430732015-10-14T14:20:25.000+01:002015-10-14T14:20:25.000+01:00hard equals harm
though Hard Time for Carmicael h...hard equals harm<br /><br />though Hard Time for Carmicael has a certain ring about it.Bugger le Pandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15924663556503952533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-68248153210705872782015-10-14T14:17:48.022+01:002015-10-14T14:17:48.022+01:00AgreedAgreedBugger le Pandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15924663556503952533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-40763778578029207422015-10-14T14:16:29.133+01:002015-10-14T14:16:29.133+01:00I got that but after a decision is made what hard ...I got that but after a decision is made what hard would there be to have a full recording of the all the procedings being made available?<br /><br />Serious question. Bugger le Pandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15924663556503952533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-64273137867049680522015-10-14T08:42:07.747+01:002015-10-14T08:42:07.747+01:00Will you be there, Andrew? I am sure I am not alon...Will you be there, Andrew? I am sure I am not alone in preferring a daily summary from you rather than the MSM.davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08168641424096514590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-12577910301534169472015-10-14T01:07:44.929+01:002015-10-14T01:07:44.929+01:00Ah right, having had a quick read up, I get you. Y...Ah right, having had a quick read up, I get you. Yes, I somehow doubt if Paton or Matthews will be hanging on the word of any blogger, even your good self! Good stuff.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-12770489499804303852015-10-13T22:21:09.364+01:002015-10-13T22:21:09.364+01:00I might be persuaded by the "logic" of t...I might be persuaded by the "logic" of the argument if someone had actually made a logical argument.<br />Saying cameras "create a risk to the proper administration of justice" is a non sequiter for an argument that we weren't offered.<br />A logical argument would require, at minimum, a description of what the risk is, who would be at risk, and why, followed by a statement along the lines of the one that was made.<br />For example, here is my logical argument for televising witnesses:<br />The presence of cameras makes it more likely witnesses will tell the truth, because they know lots of people are closely watching their facial expressions and body language.<br />Conversely, if cameras are not present, witnesses are less likely to tell the truth, because they know only the small group of people in the courtroom are closely watching their facial expressions and body language.<br />Therefore, having cameras present reduces the risk of an improper administration of justice, whilst simultaneously increasing the likliehood of a proper administration of justice.<br />I am curious to know what the logical argument is for not allowing cameras, since I suspect it has nothing at all to do with "creating a risk to the proper administration of justice."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08933855705268790197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-1086934288760251852015-10-13T20:47:21.023+01:002015-10-13T20:47:21.023+01:00The source of the memo, provided to Carmichael'...The source of the memo, provided to Carmichael's advisor, by whom/which UK department? So, get the advisor - forgotten his name, in the stand.Sticky wicket for him.velofellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17392600551312453152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-23168070770542082602015-10-13T19:52:41.226+01:002015-10-13T19:52:41.226+01:00A bit of good news then: this is not a criminal as...A bit of good news then: this is not a criminal assize. The Contempt of Court Act 1981 applies -- but it is very unlikely that any publication, or blog, or article, will interfere with the course of justice in this matter. Two very experienced Court of Session judges aren't going to be moved by a tweet, or a hostile tabloid write-up. As a consequence, more or less every breath of evidence, and every kind of reporting and comment on that evidence, should be acceptable here.Lallands Peat Worrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07238432265194046726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-63907718843117298322015-10-13T19:50:08.632+01:002015-10-13T19:50:08.632+01:00From supplementary reports, I understand that the ...From supplementary reports, I understand that the evidence is set down at least for three days. With a fourth kept in reserve, in case things overrun. As they tend to do.Lallands Peat Worrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07238432265194046726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-61009572640865673302015-10-13T19:39:11.923+01:002015-10-13T19:39:11.923+01:00He could, if he has relevant evidence to give. You...He could, if he has relevant evidence to give. You might wonder, however, what - if anything - he might know which would be relevant to the key issues in the case.Lallands Peat Worrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07238432265194046726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-15773623136116849262015-10-13T19:38:29.446+01:002015-10-13T19:38:29.446+01:00Broadly speaking: no. The focus of the questioning...Broadly speaking: no. The focus of the questioning will have to be on matters relevant to the election petition. Everything else is unimportant for the case.Lallands Peat Worrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07238432265194046726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-36482918305310845852015-10-13T19:37:39.643+01:002015-10-13T19:37:39.643+01:00I think the latter probably will be televised. All...I think the latter probably will be televised. All we will miss is the direct evidence of witnesses. That, at least, is my understanding of what Paton and Matthews decided on Monday, from the reports.Lallands Peat Worrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07238432265194046726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-38666776958508839362015-10-13T19:31:20.141+01:002015-10-13T19:31:20.141+01:00This seems problematic to me too. This seems problematic to me too. Lallands Peat Worrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07238432265194046726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-30204525609208627922015-10-13T19:30:40.197+01:002015-10-13T19:30:40.197+01:00It is far from clear to me that such questions wou...It is far from clear to me that such questions would be relevant. The central issue is Mr Carmichael's own personal conduct and character. Everything else is a political sideshow.Lallands Peat Worrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07238432265194046726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-16264610724029716402015-10-13T19:29:29.579+01:002015-10-13T19:29:29.579+01:00Lady Paton's comments have been reported only ...Lady Paton's comments have been reported only to a very limited extent. On that basis, I'll say only this: I'm not sure I'm convinced by the logic of this arguement either. But the Scottish rules on televising judicial proceedings remain in transition at the moment. Given how much televising cross-examination cuts against judicial history, you can at least understand caution and reticence.Lallands Peat Worrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07238432265194046726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-14582286204321354112015-10-13T19:27:09.383+01:002015-10-13T19:27:09.383+01:00I imagine Sturgeon has better things to be doing.....I imagine Sturgeon has better things to be doing...Lallands Peat Worrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07238432265194046726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-42848248196627222242015-10-13T18:56:58.279+01:002015-10-13T18:56:58.279+01:00"with a politician in the witness box....&quo..."with a politician in the witness box...." what?<br />What is so "unsafe" about it that you can't even bring yourself to say what you mean?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08933855705268790197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-46500306597002054012015-10-13T18:24:39.967+01:002015-10-13T18:24:39.967+01:00LPW - there'll be a lot of amateur reporters i...LPW - there'll be a lot of amateur reporters in court, bloggers, perhaps not aware of the rules of reportng court proceedings to avoid "contempt of court". Perhaps it would be a good idea for you to produce a quick guide as to what can, and can't be reported?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-24061447918293009842015-10-13T18:15:14.430+01:002015-10-13T18:15:14.430+01:00Yes, but don't you think that broadcasting a q...Yes, but don't you think that broadcasting a question like "Is it true you like to eat live hamsters?" shouldn't actually be broadcast? The first proceedings were procedural and therefore safe, but with a politician in the witness box ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-55454465146072767552015-10-13T17:59:08.513+01:002015-10-13T17:59:08.513+01:00Four days of evidence? Ouch! Carmichael's bugg...Four days of evidence? Ouch! Carmichael's buggered no matter what the court finally says about the nature of his lies. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05377329780194422401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-49670385240750006722015-10-13T17:46:28.217+01:002015-10-13T17:46:28.217+01:00Some of us like the horrors. It would be an educat...Some of us <i>like</i> the horrors. It would be an educational aid, at least, for the hard pressed law lecturer...Lallands Peat Worrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07238432265194046726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-29669642384176744342015-10-13T15:49:27.433+01:002015-10-13T15:49:27.433+01:00The electorate of Orkney and Shetland should deman...The electorate of Orkney and Shetland should demand a Live Stream to their local courts or appropriate public building.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00564870829805903490noreply@blogger.com