tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post6787295898913680059..comments2024-03-28T07:16:39.621+00:00Comments on Lallands Peat Worrier: "We wish to hear evidence..."Lallands Peat Worrierhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18276270498204697708noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-91079180728620522512015-10-22T19:28:33.720+01:002015-10-22T19:28:33.720+01:00And yet another example of can only be deliberate ...And yet another example of can only be deliberate lying as he has been corrected on this several times already ..this time another SNP MSP Stewart Stevenson, it either shows a blatent willingness to lie or perhaps he is extremely stupid as he has been picked up and corrected on this at least twice before and yet keeps on doing it time after time...perhaps its time for a few crowdfunders to be started ? https://whytepaper.wordpress.com/2015/10/08/three-in-one/Jock Tamsons Bairnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17363965238997914283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-72485223243167264162015-10-22T19:21:33.134+01:002015-10-22T19:21:33.134+01:00Here is another example of SNP MSP and Parliamenta...Here is another example of SNP MSP and Parliamentary Liaison Officer to the First Minister of Scotland Joan McAlpine either being extremely stupid or blatently lying as well. ...there is no such thing as "Export Duty" ...its a fictional tax made up by the SNP and its Cybernat followers for Propanganda purpose's alone...does Scotland really deserve to have people behave like this at any level in its Government ? Don't people have to be honest ? Perhaps in a Nationalist eyes this sort of behaviour is acceptable ? The last large organisation who used Newspapers in this way were the Natzis and of course there is plenty of recorded History of Natzi sypathisers within SNP History. Multiple accounts of misinforming the Public here https://whytepaper.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/all-aboard-the-grievo-train/ Jock Tamsons Bairnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17363965238997914283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-76238453398081515912015-10-14T20:09:33.132+01:002015-10-14T20:09:33.132+01:00Erm what part of this don't you understand ? P...Erm what part of this don't you understand ? Pay particular attention to the parts "Information Commissioner" and "FOI" request...are you suggesting the Government Information Commissioner is a liar too ? Lol, why is it SNP followers refuse to see the truth that Salmond simply blatently lied to them ? "When the Information Commissioner ordered the Scottish government to respond to an FOI request to disclose the advice it had received, Salmond’s ministers spent £19,452.92 of public money appealing the decision, only to admit later that the ‘advice’ was a figment of Salmond’s imagination. So the First Minister misled the Scottish people on this point and spent taxpayers’ money to try to conceal the fact.Jock Tamsons Bairnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17363965238997914283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-63421868547165857472015-10-02T23:14:14.661+01:002015-10-02T23:14:14.661+01:00Eyes, it would appear, don't come any more &qu...Eyes, it would appear, don't come any more "tainted" than yours.<br />You are completely incapable of seeing the difference between Carmichael's admitted falsehood and your completely unsubstantiated allegations against Salmond. A "lie" is only a "lie" if it's proven to be a "lie". So it's time to put up or shut up. Where is your proof Salmond "lied"?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08933855705268790197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-22016713942430299862015-10-02T19:42:57.000+01:002015-10-02T19:42:57.000+01:00"entirely dissimilar events." Only in y..."entirely dissimilar events." Only in your tainted eye's, is a lie not a lie regardless what the subject was ? It would appear that its ok in SNP supporters eyes for a senior SNP Politician to blatantly lie on an issue of National importance and then go on to cost the Scots nation a further approx £20K by trying to appeal against having to reveal his source of legal advice to the Governments own Information Officer when Salmond already knew very well it simply did not exist other the delusional fiction inside his own head. Alex Salmond isn't backward on needlessly wasting Public funds, that IS dishonest and makes him completely untrustworthy and yet the SNP's cult followiing continue to idolise him. How long will it take do you think until they finally realise they are worshipping a false God ?Jock Tamsons Bairnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17363965238997914283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-62119594670723350512015-10-02T12:09:46.387+01:002015-10-02T12:09:46.387+01:00Here is a further clarification on whether the fal...Here is a further clarification on whether the false statement was personal or political, based on the facts and circumstances:<br />Even if Alistair believed he was only protecting his political character he has since learned he was actually protecting his personal character, if only temporarily.<br />After he admitted the lie many people decided he didn't have the right personal character for any political office. It was his personal character that took the hit.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08933855705268790197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-13378537487421735362015-10-01T18:54:12.222+01:002015-10-01T18:54:12.222+01:00Unless you're the judges, you've got no id...Unless you're the judges, you've got no idea what the outcome of the case will be. And even if you were the judges, you'd still have no idea since the evidence hasn't been heard yet! Even if Carmichael isn't found to have told lies about his personal character or conduct to try to influence the outcome of the election in Orkney and Shetland, the case has already been extremely useful in clarifying that section 106 *does* cover instances where candidates lie about themselves, *does* cover laudatory lies (for the very good reason that what might be considered damaging by some parts of the electorate might be considered praiseworthy by other parts) and that a decision as to whether a false statement is personal or political in nature is dependent on the facts and circumstances. Whatever the outcome of the case, these clarifications of the law are very welcome. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05377329780194422401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-51628677887221866722015-10-01T17:34:31.244+01:002015-10-01T17:34:31.244+01:00It can be seen that Carmichael's statement was...It can be seen that Carmichael's statement was a defence of his personal character - whether he intended it to be or not - simply by noting that many people's opinion of his personal character changed for the worse after he admitted the statement was false.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08933855705268790197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-47717558073160940702015-10-01T13:41:43.657+01:002015-10-01T13:41:43.657+01:00I don't remember Alex Salmond claiming he &quo...I don't remember Alex Salmond claiming he "misstated his awareness" about this, yet people still think they can draw direct comparisons between this and Carmichael''s admitted falsehood. Remind me again: which two judges have ruled Salmond has a case to answer? What is strange is this morally-blind insistence on trying to make an unfair comparison between two entirely dissimilar events.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08933855705268790197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-35503877413978581142015-10-01T13:31:13.854+01:002015-10-01T13:31:13.854+01:00According to the blurb on Carmichael's crowdfu...According to the blurb on Carmichael's crowdfunder: "Alistair must find the money to pay for this case. The liability is his and his alone."<br />That seems to suggest the Lib Dems aren't paying for all or part of his fees, since, if they were, it would no longer be Alistair's liability "alone" but a shared liability between Alistair and the Lib Dems. For the sake of Alistair and the people organising his crowdfunder I hope they aren't accidentally giving the impression he alone is paying when, in reality, the Lib Dems are also paying, because there are people out there who might regard that as seriously misleading at best. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08933855705268790197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-40827533847769220282015-10-01T10:08:47.704+01:002015-10-01T10:08:47.704+01:00Who is paying Carmichael's ever increasing leg...Who is paying Carmichael's ever increasing legal fees, I wonder? The LibDems? That party has been curiously silent on this matter. If I were a LibDemmer I would not be thrilled to see my money being spent to defend the principle that a politician can lie with impunity so long as the lie isn't "personal", The UK Govt?<br /><br />What's certain is that these Orkney Four have taken on a huge risk, for none of them are rich and all of them stand personally liable for crippling legal fees if the case goes against them. They have been proven right so far to have done so. Theirs is a worthy contribution to clarifying the law and raising pressure on MPs to behave more honourably, for this case will surely have repercussions. <br /><br />I am up for another tenner to their indiegogo fund. Let's help them!lawrenceabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16425746967578710370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-75048952725595752872015-09-30T23:53:11.894+01:002015-09-30T23:53:11.894+01:00It is strange that so many people are upset at sup...It is strange that so many people are upset at supposed lies by one man and yet can completely ignore or perhaps not even recognise lies spoken by another one ...taken from the Spectator "<br />” I’m thinking of Alex Salmond in particular. On almost every critical point raised during the debate about Scotland’s future, Salmond was deliberately misleading. I’m not just thinking of his claim that he’d received legal advice reassuring him that an independent Scotland wouldn’t need to reapply for membership of the European Union. When the Information Commissioner ordered the Scottish government to respond to an FOI request to disclose the advice it had received, Salmond’s ministers spent £19,452.92 of public money appealing the decision, only to admit later that the ‘advice’ was a figment of Salmond’s imagination. So the First Minister misled the Scottish people on this point and spent taxpayers’ money to try to conceal the fact.<br />Then there were the SNP’s fictitious claims about the economic impact of independence — and I’m indebted here to the blogger Kevin Hague, who has devoted years to unpicking the SNP’s rhetoric. For instance, there was the assertion that Scotland sends more money to Westminster than it gets back, thanks to North Sea oil....etc .”<br />see more here .<br />http://www.spectator.co.uk/life/status-anxiety/9541262/nicola-sturgeon-protests-too-much-about-alistair-carmichael/<br />And of course Kevin Hagues excellent factual blogs that exposes SNP and Wings over Scotlands misinformation , why did Scots fall for this ?<br />http://chokkablog.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/chokkablog-videos.html<br />http://chokkablog.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/the-wee-blue-book-of-lies.html<br />Now i am sure most honest people can see the different standards being applied to Alistair Carmichael and to Alex Salmond and other SNP Capaigners..now why should that be i wonder ? Jock Tamsons Bairnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17363965238997914283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-76030958264740125362015-09-30T19:10:41.694+01:002015-09-30T19:10:41.694+01:00When a politician lies to damage the character of ...When a politician lies to damage the character of an opponent electoral law rightly draws a distinction between whether the lie damaged the personal or political character of the opponent. If the lie damaged only the political character of the opponent there is a sensible case for the law to allow that as part of the "rough and tumble" of political debate.<br />However when a politican lies to enhance their own character the distinction between a "personal" and "political" lie becomes entirely moot. It matters not to a self-praising politician whether their personal or political character is enhanced, since the lie enhances both their personal and political character at the same time.<br />A politician who tells lies about their own character is just as much an abuser of the electoral process as one who tells lies about the character of an opponent. So any electoral law that doesn't apply in the case of a politician who tells lies about their own character is completely worthless and unfit for purpose.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08933855705268790197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-94914721064631112015-09-30T15:36:48.520+01:002015-09-30T15:36:48.520+01:00How can the court trust the evidence produced by a...How can the court trust the evidence produced by a self confessed liar?Tam The Bamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12432066573217141866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-30724671318464975102015-09-30T14:30:28.184+01:002015-09-30T14:30:28.184+01:00That's exactly what i was thinking David. Whet...That's exactly what i was thinking David. Whether political or personal, it originated in his napper. Whether he lied through his teeth, or through his teeth he did lie. A lie is a lie. And he told itDerek Beveridgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07901529878117950246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-6368102956408124672015-09-30T13:49:39.536+01:002015-09-30T13:49:39.536+01:00"This case is genuinely a terrible waste of t..."This case is genuinely a terrible waste of time and money"<br /><br />Legally it's not, as the judges have proved so far. <br /><br />Carmichael said at one point that "these things happen" during an election. In other words, that politicians lie, deny that they lied, act like injured martyrs when pressed and deceive people who are about to make an important decision about whom to elect as their representative in parliament.<br /><br />I'd rather we cleaned out the stables and demanded accountability from our MPs. Wouldn't you? Suzanne Bosworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17450792141909719528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-71461463305337690682015-09-30T13:36:48.582+01:002015-09-30T13:36:48.582+01:00Surely it is the time and money of the petitioners...Surely it is the time and money of the petitioners in this case and those of us who have chosen to support them, of our own free will and with our own spare cash?<br /><br />Many of us feel that this action is important to the electorate of Scotland, as it appears to be the only way of holding elected officials to account.<br /><br />I feel personally aggrieved, for example that, as a taxpayer, I appear to be paying for his defence, while also helping to pay for his prosecution. As an elected MP, his salary, expenses and perks are paid by the taxpayer, who has no choice in the matter. Some of us have also chosen to give help to the petitioners, so are paying twice for the same legal process.<br /><br />That is surely a criticism which should be levelled at the current legislation, rather than the action, jmcg89?Humerous Vegetablehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06749447163866759111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-11344119845500773542015-09-30T12:22:46.455+01:002015-09-30T12:22:46.455+01:00Since the judges have called for "evidence&qu...Since the judges have called for "evidence" the court must now explore the full context behind Carmichael's lie. Witnesses must be called. Who else knew about the memo? Who was the memo addressed to? These are precisely the sort of "subtle but significant inferences and nuances" the judges must answer before they can decide the "nature and purpose" of the lie.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08933855705268790197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-62946016686467005652015-09-30T10:58:16.388+01:002015-09-30T10:58:16.388+01:00Only one of the four are affiliated with the SNP i...Only one of the four are affiliated with the SNP in any manner. So yeah, that kind of quashes your rather petulant argument.Landee Eh?!https://www.blogger.com/profile/00281173773541302902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-57162635075839324062015-09-30T09:45:24.160+01:002015-09-30T09:45:24.160+01:00That's it? SNP baaaaad! Oh dear.That's it? SNP baaaaad! Oh dear.marakihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02725415558008352524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-55652354236940735332015-09-30T08:35:09.049+01:002015-09-30T08:35:09.049+01:00jmcg89 obviously you don't hold position First...jmcg89 obviously you don't hold position First Minister of Scotland in high regardwaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03242753707412340371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-79372791907418921272015-09-30T08:08:55.766+01:002015-09-30T08:08:55.766+01:00Is this the best you can do?Is this the best you can do?Kenziehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16754819294796900179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-23124359725905158732015-09-30T07:46:41.017+01:002015-09-30T07:46:41.017+01:00This case is genuinely a terrible waste of time an...This case is genuinely a terrible waste of time and money. There is no chance in hell that the court will hold that simply leaking a document and then denying it would engage section 106 of the Representation of the People Act 1983. The whole argument is a nonsense. Those SNP crowdfunders who have funded the petitioners in this case would have done better to give their money to help the poor and the needy, rather than to pay the legal fees of lawyers arguing a hopeless case. The action seems to have been raised by the SNP's proxies out of vindictiveness and spite at having failed to win Orkney and Shetland. Just as with the referendum, the SNP clearly want to keep re-running this constituency election until they get the "right" result.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-23824844239592149542015-09-30T02:45:06.672+01:002015-09-30T02:45:06.672+01:00I think this indictment relevantly charged the acc...I think this indictment relevantly charged the accused with telling a falsehood, but telling a falsehood simpliciter is not a crime by the law of Scotland.<br /><br />Mather V HMA 22 July 1914 JC 184<br /><br />http://www.bailii.org/scot/cases/ScotHC/1914/1914_JC_184.html<br /><br />Big Wullie Beckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14622020677322097844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-90424370928009799932015-09-30T02:23:11.156+01:002015-09-30T02:23:11.156+01:00What will happen if he refuses to give evidence ?
...What will happen if he refuses to give evidence ?<br />Surely he has a right to remain silent and not answer incriminating questions ?<br />I was always under the impression it was not a crime to tell a lie, well certainly not for crown witnesses in particular.<br />Big Wullie Beckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14622020677322097844noreply@blogger.com