tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post1483566483268635144..comments2024-03-28T07:16:39.621+00:00Comments on Lallands Peat Worrier: Will you Go Laddie Go?Lallands Peat Worrierhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18276270498204697708noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-79934184910749625732010-11-17T20:20:49.288+00:002010-11-17T20:20:49.288+00:00Hmmm. Just notice in my reply to you Joan, I seem ...Hmmm. Just notice in my reply to you Joan, I seem to have dropped off mid sentence. For clarity, although I think the general sense is clear, I was wondering why you think that observation <i>particularly</i> applies to women.Lallands Peat Worrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07238432265194046726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-6735545886677462872010-11-17T12:19:33.311+00:002010-11-17T12:19:33.311+00:00Am Firinn,
Neglecting the familiar folderol of th...Am Firinn,<br /><br />Neglecting the familiar folderol of the Queen's Speech, it was inevitable, eventually, that we'd be faced with a conjunction of Royalist-British Nationalism. It remains to be seen to what extent the wedding might provoke partisans to indulge in a civil religious, Durkheimean analysis along the lines of Edward Shils & Michael Young's (1953) <i>"The Meaning of the Coronation"</i>, which claimed that Lizzie Windsor being awarded her jaggy jewellery bunnet represented <i>"an act of national communion".</i>Lallands Peat Worrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07238432265194046726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-66992836061985237322010-11-16T20:20:48.709+00:002010-11-16T20:20:48.709+00:00I suspect we're about to see an illustration o...I suspect we're about to see an illustration of why women are less inclined to vote for independence than men, following today's announcement. There will be a - doubtless carefully-timed - frenzied debauch of nauseous red-white-and-blue nonsense, and it will be disproportionately women who lap it up, buy the revolting china and the simpering coffee-table photograph books. It gars me grue already.Am Firinnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-66184421271397142542010-11-16T11:21:33.017+00:002010-11-16T11:21:33.017+00:00Joan,
I wasn't interpreting your analysis as ...Joan,<br /><br />I wasn't interpreting your analysis as an assault on men - not at all - but it does strike me that if we focus on women, the question - why do men seem <i>more</i> "independence-minded" - risks becoming the untheorised, straightforward counterpoint to the ambivalent, complex, divided perspective of women. I was mostly trying to spread the uncertainty about a bit, along egalitarian gender lines! That said, I suspect the impression may have been generated by my "..." around your comments. This is simply an academic referential style I've been unable to shake off - rather than scarequotes suggesting that I was radically disagreeing with your assessment as harpyish or whatnot.<br /><br />An exceedingly interesting argument that, about the pressures of Anglicisation telling more significantly on women via cultural media. I wonder if you could flesh it out a bit? In particular, why you think <br /><br />Its implication, curiously enough, might be that the most emancipatory activity might be to compose a snazzy and swish Scottish script for the telly with, contrary to usual practice, a number of interesting female characters of all ages!Lallands Peat Worrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07238432265194046726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-45222853404226053202010-11-16T11:11:40.520+00:002010-11-16T11:11:40.520+00:00Lena,
These things change of course, in bizarre, ...Lena,<br /><br />These things change of course, in bizarre, unnoticed ways. Certainly the quantitative picture implies something curious. Namely, that in bare numerical terms, women identify with Scottishness more or less to the same degree as their male fellow citizens. The interesting question becomes about the constellations of ideas which this is associated with - the distinctions drawn or not drawn - and the ways people reimagine their national identity in the context of their own life, oeuvres, environments and so on. <br /><br />As you suggest, there is also the tricky question - what is the relationship between attitudes and behaviour? <br /><br />I entirely agree with you that this is a matter for discussion - for drawing on resources, imagining, re-imagining, bearing our particular witness and mapping out a more complex, shifting totality.Lallands Peat Worrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07238432265194046726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-21710719648330979752010-11-16T00:21:04.492+00:002010-11-16T00:21:04.492+00:00Yes I do feel the debate keeps getting skewed towa...Yes I do feel the debate keeps getting skewed towards an attack on Scottish masculinity. I personally have no problem with manliness ;-) I tried to make clear in my piece that football as cultural nationalism led men more easily to political nationalism. That's a good thing. I just wondered what the catalyst was for women. And I also pointed out - something you didn't mention LPW - that women are under more pressure to become anglicised. But thanks for the piece Mr Worrier. It was extremely scholarly, as per usual, and very useful to be reminded of arguments in a historical context.Joan McAlpinehttp://www.joanmcalpine.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-40317106122993505312010-11-15T20:55:41.652+00:002010-11-15T20:55:41.652+00:00LPW
Some years ago, perhaps not too many, I might...LPW<br /><br />Some years ago, perhaps not too many, I might have found it easier to accept the conflation of maleness with nationalism but now I think this notion explains too little and leads us down a blind alley. I do recognise LPW’s lefty males who often just miss the point in their discourses about feminism so earnestly constructed and I agree wholeheartedly that we must be cautious about reinforcing perceived male/female stereotypes in an attempt to explain behaviour. Can we separate out this approach from the all too prevalent negative epithets applied to Scots in all manner of discussions which are largely aimed at men but not entirely: hard, mean, aggressive, drunken, unhealthy, lazy, blah, blah, blah?<br /><br />Rather than becoming depressed by the reported disparity between male and female notions of nationality I find the figures close enough to warrant optimism for the future of Scotland. This is not to doubt the validity of Caitlin O’Hara’s original piece and it’s good that she has got a debate going and I look forward to observing how events turn out over the coming months.Lenahttp://lenathehyena.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com