tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post6460890929994363917..comments2024-03-28T07:16:39.621+00:00Comments on Lallands Peat Worrier: What's missing, Mr Moore?Lallands Peat Worrierhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18276270498204697708noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-32903546319332372462012-04-12T12:24:54.020+01:002012-04-12T12:24:54.020+01:00Holebender said...
LPW, the number of questions i...<b>Holebender said...</b><br /><br /><i>LPW, the number of questions isn't a stumbling block as nobody wants the second question - it is, after all, just a ruse to raise the voters' expectations and have them dashed by Whitehall...</i><br /><br />It is an argument I've heard before. I'm just not sure it is terribly convincing that Alex Salmond's long-term kite-flying for a "more devolution" question amounts <i>only</i> to a ruse to concoct an image of London intransigence...Lallands Peat Worrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07238432265194046726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-26283310938035157242012-04-09T21:02:54.507+01:002012-04-09T21:02:54.507+01:00Just a very minor nitpick: the past tense of '...Just a very minor nitpick: the past tense of 'lead' is 'led'. (Also, Tory-led should be hyphenated.) (Sorry, I'll leave now!)Bushwhackerhttp://www.friendsoftheunion.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-8841627683660933832012-04-08T14:37:30.681+01:002012-04-08T14:37:30.681+01:00LPW, the number of questions isn't a stumbling...LPW, the number of questions isn't a stumbling block as nobody wants the second question - it is, after all, just a ruse to raise the voters' expectations and have them dashed by Whitehall. The real difficulty with a Section 30 Order will be when Whitehall tries to impose its own timing on the referendum. I don't think Holyrood will countenance any such move.<br /><br />Perhaps the second question (which, remember, nobody actually wants) will be traded for an Autumn 2014 date?Holebendernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-43425583425187027132012-04-07T12:48:31.598+01:002012-04-07T12:48:31.598+01:00Aileen McHarg,
Shoddy stuff. Best I can discern, ...<b>Aileen McHarg</b>,<br /><br />Shoddy stuff. Best I can discern, they Liberals and Tories and trying to pass off such conditions as "common sense" rules, rather than impositions, or constraints. I dare say one could come up with a justification for imposing them - but to pretend you are just a humbler empower of Holyrood when doing so is patent guff. The vital question, it seems to me, is how committed the SNP is to including a second question in the referendum. If they aren't bothered - it is easy to see agreement on the terms of a s.30 order being forthcoming. If, by contrast, the Nationalists in parliament are absolutely set on asking some sort of devolutionary question - well, then things get interesting and potentially politically explosive.Lallands Peat Worrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07238432265194046726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-50586312184018636452012-04-06T18:01:25.422+01:002012-04-06T18:01:25.422+01:00@braveheart
RevStu didn't get it for a change...@braveheart<br /><br />RevStu didn't get it for a change.<br /><br />That's his mandate - not to get it.Longshankerhttp://ahdinnaeken.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-74597361145179472442012-04-06T15:15:01.360+01:002012-04-06T15:15:01.360+01:00"So the UK Government has a mandate"
No...<i>"So the UK Government has a mandate"</i><br /><br />No, any more than it has a mandate to declare war on Sweden. You appear to be mistaking "mandate" for "legal ability", which is a rather silly thing to do.RevStuhttp://wingsland.podgamer.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-6448971496616134532012-04-06T15:12:34.092+01:002012-04-06T15:12:34.092+01:00I agree that this whole thing is a farce. I took p...I agree that this whole thing is a farce. I took part in the UK consultation with misgivings but certainly didn't think it was really a sort of opinion poll, with percentages now being paraded as if they mean something.<br /><br />It's probably fair that academics should be quoted (but not selectively) but I can't see how the opinions of the teacake guy or the butcher deserve any higher status than, for example my own, except that possibly I didn't agree with Dave, Nick and Michael.Ewanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08164790608082005605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-88415319995621536312012-04-06T12:21:05.923+01:002012-04-06T12:21:05.923+01:00Spot on. Certainly my own contribution (with Tom ...Spot on. Certainly my own contribution (with Tom Mullen) was cherry picked so as to appear supportive of the UK Govt's position, when in fact its major thrust was to question their stance on the legality of a referendum and to argue that a s.30 order should not be used to impose conditions.Aileen McHargnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-81130901836551367002012-04-06T11:13:07.429+01:002012-04-06T11:13:07.429+01:00The whole consultation process has turned into a s...The whole consultation process has turned into a shambles for both governments. The volume of responses is not exactly high either, considering the volumes you can get on a petition. Both consultations were designed to be self-serving for the politicians so they would have some more soundbites to bore everyone with.<br /><br />Outside of blogland, does anyone really care about these consultations? How many people actually knew the UK Government was running their own one? What Moore does or does not give out is irrelevant. The whole thing has turned into political pantomime yet again.Barbarian of the Northhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09546237341963301419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-56572383245865566952012-04-06T09:19:37.418+01:002012-04-06T09:19:37.418+01:00@RevStu
""The UK Government has a manda...@RevStu<br /><br />""The UK Government has a mandate"<br /><br />Not for a referendum on Scottish independence it doesn't. It was elected on policies of absolutely opposing such a thing. "<br /><br />So the UK Government has a mandate ...Bravehearthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07223196805548966030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-69026738606791816122012-04-05T23:45:22.287+01:002012-04-05T23:45:22.287+01:00From memory the SNP got 45% of the vote on a 50% t...From memory the SNP got 45% of the vote on a 50% turnout and their manifesto didn't include a two question referendum, nor having 16 and 17 year olds voting.<br /><br />Maybe they should just hold a referendum in accordance with their mandate.<br /><br /><br />Btw are they still intending to ban anyone under 21 from buying alcohol from an off sales?<br /><br />Maybe they could have a referndum on that and include 16 & 17 year olds.Groundskeeper Willienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-52154744602985170382012-04-05T23:28:22.773+01:002012-04-05T23:28:22.773+01:00"The UK Government has a mandate"
Not f...<i>"The UK Government has a mandate"</i><br /><br />Not for a referendum on Scottish independence it doesn't. It was elected on policies of absolutely opposing such a thing.RevStuhttp://wingsland.podgamer.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-34438577896755135092012-04-05T23:27:24.114+01:002012-04-05T23:27:24.114+01:00"(some more uncharitable folk are claiming Sa...<i>"(some more uncharitable folk are claiming Sawar was lying)."</i><br /><br />There's nothing uncharitable about it, it's just a statement of fact. He was demonstrably, provably lying.RevStuhttp://wingsland.podgamer.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-75049660443063580542012-04-05T18:57:17.147+01:002012-04-05T18:57:17.147+01:00The Scottish Government has a mandate.
The UK Gov...The Scottish Government has a mandate.<br /><br />The UK Government has a mandate.<br /><br />The UK Government outranks the Scottish Government legally.<br /><br />The Scottish Government can claim democratic legitimacy.<br /><br />Nobody's right and nobody's wrong....<br /><br />A recipe for hard negotiation.<br /><br />And no whingeing please...Bravehearthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07223196805548966030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-68902241517459682772012-04-05T16:09:22.211+01:002012-04-05T16:09:22.211+01:00It is clear that nearly a third of answers came fr...It is clear that nearly a third of answers came from a preset 'fill in your name here' response on the Labour Party web site.<br /><br />Anas Sawar SLAB MP, the Lamentable's side kick in Scotland, tied himself up in knots over this t'other day to such an extent he contradicted himself during the interview (some more uncharitable folk are claiming Sawar was lying).<br /><br />With those at the heart of the Tory Party already having given up Scotland as lost to Westminster - is it that surprising that a Libdem fronted 'Save the Union' initiative is such a damp squib?<br /><br />Especially as the UK Government has no mandate on this issue as the referendum is the expressed will of the sovereign people of Scotland, in their legitimate parliament at Holyrood.Mad Jock McMadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17088238215251518226noreply@blogger.com