tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post2507149168942495193..comments2024-03-28T07:16:39.621+00:00Comments on Lallands Peat Worrier: Carmichael: making avizandum...Lallands Peat Worrierhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18276270498204697708noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-42415813996643237752015-10-07T20:06:09.732+01:002015-10-07T20:06:09.732+01:00Dear FF , I understand your point ... but it's...Dear FF , I understand your point ... but it's NOT the SNP pursuing the case as you imply. In fact at least one of the 4 is a member of another party. Who knows .. if Carmichael has to step down, The Liberals may well retain the seat .....Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16732249946973217664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-47552443615742521562015-09-12T02:16:19.432+01:002015-09-12T02:16:19.432+01:00When Mr Carmichael denied awareness of the leak he...When Mr Carmichael denied awareness of the leak he was denying personal responsibility for the leak, not offering an impersonal political opinion about it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08933855705268790197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-18273270011644436472015-09-11T12:12:14.279+01:002015-09-11T12:12:14.279+01:00Sorry, I should check my predictive text BEFORE su...Sorry, I should check my predictive text BEFORE submitting. The court case aims to remove one of the few remaining alternative voices, in my view, and the SNP dominance calls for some self restraintFFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16627719160178595437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-88003933845574126072015-09-11T12:04:07.589+01:002015-09-11T12:04:07.589+01:00If I understand it correctly, the inaccurate recor...If I understand it correctly, the inaccurate record of Nicola Sturgeon's meeting is irrelevant to the plaintiff's arguments. Presumably Mr Carmichael did believe the record to be true as it was an official note captured by a civil servant. So the legal argument would still have to hold if he were lying about the leaking of his shopping list at Tesco, for example. As the argument also depends on Mr Carmichael maligning himself - something that people don't normally do - it's getting to be stretch, I think. Particularly in the context of the court being asked to overturn a democratically arrived at election result.<br /><br />Of course there's a context to this court case. Lawyers are not good at seeing the bigger picture in my experience. So who knows?<br /><br />Personally I hope the case fails. I don't think it's just motivated by outrage over an MP that lied. I believe it also attempts to remove one of the free remaining alternative choices in a situation where 56 out of 59 MPs are from one party. You can argue that's not the problem of the SNP or its supporters and Mr Carmichael should have thought of that before his cackhanded leak. But it's not just about Mr Carmichael. It's about Scotland. When you dominate to the extent the SNP does, that calls for some discretion and self restarting in my view.FFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16627719160178595437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-79235526340067942822015-09-09T23:02:09.679+01:002015-09-09T23:02:09.679+01:00I would like to add my thanks Andrew. You've d...I would like to add my thanks Andrew. You've done a great job explaining the finer legal points of the case. You have also added the word 'avizandum' to my personal lexicon!Wyliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18011006895309405740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-75456397901508916132015-09-09T20:20:54.005+01:002015-09-09T20:20:54.005+01:00Could the statements on this crowdfunding campaign...Could the statements on this crowdfunding campaign page be defamatory or contempt of court? http://www.gofundme.com/yh3pe7nc Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05377329780194422401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-26535197612624166712015-09-09T20:06:19.014+01:002015-09-09T20:06:19.014+01:00Everyone gets one Tickle, then you die.Everyone gets one Tickle, then you die.Lallands Peat Worrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07238432265194046726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-84206876957701418602015-09-09T19:13:21.355+01:002015-09-09T19:13:21.355+01:00Apols for misspelling your name - can't even b...Apols for misspelling your name - can't even blame spellcheck Edwin Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05317173893948248954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-60080079964183028992015-09-09T18:13:39.208+01:002015-09-09T18:13:39.208+01:00It is certainly a robust interpretation of this fa...It is certainly a robust interpretation of this fairly long-standing distinction in electoral law.Lallands Peat Worrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07238432265194046726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-52846203745437222722015-09-09T18:09:30.072+01:002015-09-09T18:09:30.072+01:00There's the rub.There's the rub.Lallands Peat Worrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07238432265194046726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-63752846499991405912015-09-09T18:09:10.101+01:002015-09-09T18:09:10.101+01:00Ha! Am pleased to hear that, Edwin. It is importan...Ha! Am pleased to hear that, Edwin. It is important that folk without years of study are able to understand these things. And folk like me should try to lend a hand with that.Lallands Peat Worrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07238432265194046726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-31498860230043278702015-09-09T18:06:06.193+01:002015-09-09T18:06:06.193+01:00Thanks, Jonathan. The one I've linked to is th...Thanks, Jonathan. The one I've linked to is the first of them -- which I suspect will be of most interest to folk, trying to follow the meat of the case.Lallands Peat Worrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07238432265194046726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-42775013108448054292015-09-09T17:41:47.302+01:002015-09-09T17:41:47.302+01:00If someone makes a claim of innocence I regard tha...If someone makes a claim of innocence I regard that claim as being a statement about that person's personal character, not a statement about their political character, even if the claim is made by a politician and relates to a political act. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08933855705268790197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-31362786738096809382015-09-09T14:44:37.187+01:002015-09-09T14:44:37.187+01:00No query or point, just to say thank you for the t...No query or point, just to say thank you for the tweets - I feel I may even understand the affair.<br /><br />It occurs to me that if you ever formed a detective agency with James Doleman - he of the much lauded Sheridan trial updates - this formidable duo would have the best partnership name since Dickens - Doleman & Tickle.<br /><br />Oh and if you discussed the outcome with Bernard Ponsonby, I imagine it would go like this -<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED3tfRW8mG8<br /><br />Edwin Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05317173893948248954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-89204403646910147282015-09-09T14:22:43.221+01:002015-09-09T14:22:43.221+01:00Jonathan Mitchell QC's note of argument clarif...Jonathan Mitchell QC's note of argument clarifies for me this idea of a "political statement" (a claim about an opponent that is in the political sphere in the sense such as saying that candidate X plans to impoverish the country with tax rises or whatever). It makes it pretty clear that Carmichael's defence is twisting that term out of recognition to claim that his lie was a political statement.commentorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10321173541321374705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1638916042737526171.post-63460810645418487992015-09-09T14:14:19.915+01:002015-09-09T14:14:19.915+01:00Actually there are two notes of argument for the p...Actually there are two notes of argument for the petitioners; they're both linked to from https://twitter.com/jjmitchell/status/640911273316773889 . I understood Scotcourts are also putting up the whole pleadings and the notes of argument (including respondents ) but so far there's no link for that.Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06384444130940855490noreply@blogger.com